<sparb> hi!
<givanbela> hallo
<renix> hello hello
<renix> we wait a bit, i guess
<givanbela> ok and who is stroobl?
<sparb> yes - then i can finish eating my melon and type with clean fingers ;)
<renix> melon - sure :) stroobl - i dont know
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<ectoplasmE> ahoi?
<renix> aloa, ecto :)
<ectoplasmE> juhu
<ectoplasmE> thought i might be alone out here
<renix> never…
<ectoplasmE> but hey! reni, barb
<ectoplasmE> guy!
<ectoplasmE> stroobl?
<ectoplasmE> help me (me stupid, i cant remember)
<renix> well, dont know either :)
<sparb> hi hi!
<ectoplasmE> big bro/sys
<sparb> stroobl seems to be always in the chat but never says sth - yeah - big bro/sys!
<sparb> someone from belgium ;)
<ectoplasmE> ah
<ectoplasmE> oh
<ectoplasmE> uh
<ectoplasmE> the recording angel
<sparb> ok - i guess we are the crowd now for tonite
<ectoplasmE> yay, thx again for organizing this
<givanbela> no someone from belgium would do the opposite
<ectoplasmE> the digital decay engine from belgium
<ectoplasmE> fascinating idea
<sparb> we had this meeting two days ago - i don't know if you had time to browse a little bit thru the pages i made
<ectoplasmE> derecording
<ectoplasmE> yes of course
<ectoplasmE> did my homework
<givanbela> yes read them all
<renix> well flying over it …
<sparb> but we would like to make an invitation text for people/collectives/radios to participate this week
<givanbela> stroobl?
<sparb> and we would like to print a flyer, that we send to all of you as well
<sparb> so you have something to give to people you know
<renix> great
<ectoplasmE> yes great
<givanbela> ok
<sparb> i think the eu and visegrad and the ministry like flyers
<sparb> and logos ;)
<renix> :)
<ectoplasmE> i would spread it over the radia list
<sparb> cool! we of course make a detailed description online
<sparb> for digital sendouts
<ectoplasmE> the non-print dd edition
<sparb> yo
<sparb> so we have currently the concept of a radical approach and a soft approach
<ectoplasmE> the five-min-each-day idea is good
<sparb> five-min-each-day? help me now…
<ectoplasmE> i organized that for another project at our station
<ectoplasmE> it worked
<givanbela> what do you mean barb?
<ectoplasmE> well you wrote 15 min
<sparb> ah - yes - sorry
<sparb> of course
<ectoplasmE> 15 min would something friends would give from their broadcast hrs
<ectoplasmE> but 5 min (or 3) almost everyone gives
<sparb> mhm - that is what peter proposed and i think it is realistic
<ectoplasmE> so you can be sure many people play the insert
<sparb> we could break it more down of course
<ectoplasmE> i would suggest to prepare a nice selection of snippets
<ectoplasmE> so people can choose
<ectoplasmE> and a singe snippet version for those who get into despair when makin choices
<sparb> or the wind chooses?
<ectoplasmE> and then a 15 min luxury vs
<sparb> hehe
<ectoplasmE> for the good friends
<sparb> this is for the passive side of course - i also would like to have an active side of production collectives
<ectoplasmE> oh the 5 min were played more than oncve a day even
<ectoplasmE> but (in our station)
<ectoplasmE> the nice guys from the central did it i.e. automatically each noon
<ectoplasmE> directly after our news
<ectoplasmE> others more chance system like (which is ieven nicer of course)
<ectoplasmE> for us
<ectoplasmE> if we can get all the collaborating radia stations to do it
<ectoplasmE> we would have already 16 intzernational stations
<ectoplasmE> including one in nz
<ectoplasmE> 3 in canada
<ectoplasmE> 1 new york
<ectoplasmE> hej
<ectoplasmE> ok thats extra european
<sparb> wow! that is worldwide then!
<sparb> haha - extra european ;)
<ectoplasmE> yep
<givanbela> one question - apart from the radia network - what other stations are approached yet?
<ectoplasmE> that was my idea
<ectoplasmE> together with the free call, a concrete proposal
<sparb> guy: reni will ask in graz and peter is asking in canada.
<ectoplasmE> heslsinki (graz) and 3 brussels stations
<renix> yes, i can also ask the other austrian stations
<ectoplasmE> and praha even (milos), in case he makes an exttra revival
<ectoplasmE> would be in radia
<sparb> we wanted to start (already) a list of stations to approach, but we wanted to wait for a concrete text and proposal which we hopefully have next week tuesday latest
<ectoplasmE> kruno could also help
<ectoplasmE> i am sure
<sparb> sure!
<sparb> i didn't make a wiki page yet ;)
<sparb> but it is on my to-do list for sure
<renix> and also some more in slo, italy - neighbours…:)
<ectoplasmE> we have in italy also one nice partner station
<sparb> i would besides stations though also ask concretely people who actively participate in production maybe - what you think?
<renix> i guess it would be great to do all before summer break
<ectoplasmE> sure
<renix> → next week
<sparb> yo - neighbours!
<ectoplasmE> knut and sarah mobile radio (and resonance)
<ectoplasmE> i.e.
<sparb> btw. just for the radiostations one remark
<ectoplasmE> knut and sarah know so many radio-active people everywhere
<sparb> for the passive receiving: i would make both possible for the 'passive' receivers - a fixed time and a wind-system
<ectoplasmE> artists
<ectoplasmE> and others
<sparb> yes - to really write them directly and invite them
<sparb> for some people we need a 'soft concept' though as i am afraid not everyone can follow wind time
<ectoplasmE> well so far i was speaking about pre-produced distribution
<renix> ad passive receiving: sounds very doable, this way we can really connect a lot
<ectoplasmE> live is more complicated
<ectoplasmE> yet we have stations who are always up for it
<ectoplasmE> resonance london (often), zero lissabon
<ectoplasmE> i.e.
<renix> 1 active possibility can be to get times, when there is no “pogramme” scheduled and the radios run with automated music/soundprogrammeing
<ectoplasmE> radio x frankfurt (my one) is difficult for that
<ectoplasmE> absurd reason: because we are so many
<ectoplasmE> and have almost 24/7 filled slots
<renix> well, same goes for graz
<renix> but there are slots
<ectoplasmE> sure i would try
<givanbela> barb, how do you see the difference with the soft and radical mode/concept? somehow did not get this fully…
<ectoplasmE> yet my experiences are: tooooo complicated
<sparb> yes i just have the feeling we are talking bout two different things currently!
<sparb> the whole concept is basically a streaming radio
<sparb> and the radical part is, we schedule five radioshows over five days to a certain wind time
<sparb> and if the windtime rings (hopefully we have an alarmclock then for that)
<sparb> we have to jump and do the show immediately a certain duration
<ectoplasmE> well yes i understood this also from the chat
<sparb> that is the 'active' part
<sparb> yes - the taking up of the stream with a show via the radios is hard of course
<ectoplasmE> and then thought about something that would work anyway
<ectoplasmE> and this was the 5 min preproduced snippets etc thing
<sparb> yes - and then the question was for me - do we have only one collective in bratislava that does the shows?
<sparb> or can we ask other collectives to join that
<sparb> naja - five minutes is relative in windtime
<sparb> that is one of the problems
<ectoplasmE> sure, sure
<sparb> of course for the radios we have to take a 'softened concept version'
<sparb> with a given duration
<givanbela> sorry before we jump: so the radical one is the wind time scheduler and what is the soft concept then?
<sparb> then they just jump in and out somewhere
<ectoplasmE> my idea was indeed perhaps something in addition
<sparb> the soft concept is a given 'real' time with given 'real' duration
<ectoplasmE> something that would work for sure
<sparb> and/or
<ectoplasmE> and also could be a nice advertisement for the live event/week
<givanbela> so soft one = a fixed scheduler
<sparb> or pre-produced - yes soft is more fixed
<givanbela> ok ok
<sparb> has to be one way or the other
<ectoplasmE> so my one is a supersoft proposal
<sparb> we can also ask for pre-productions that are scheduled then by the wind-time
<ectoplasmE> the nonstream whsitle
<sparb> ;)
<ectoplasmE> yes thats what i meant
<sparb> aha - yes - kind of an archive triggered by wind
<ectoplasmE> which does not mean at all that i am not optimist
<ectoplasmE> with doing more with radia stations
<sparb> so for the radios we also have more possibilities i guess
<ectoplasmE> yes
<sparb> fixed timing, fixed duration or a fixed duration with a spontanous timing
<sparb> or fixed timing with spontanous duration
<sparb> it's like a tik-box multiple choice questionnaire ;)
<ectoplasmE> or the supersoft: taking the cd from the rack and simply playing wind like a jingle
<sparb> (order your package of tik radio broadcast)
<sparb> haha - yes!
<ectoplasmE> yep
<givanbela> so the concepts are only within the timings? no, I am asking and probably that will only be solved in the next workshop, but then the soft/radical difference it has nothing to do with content and style/aesthetics of the material? or does it?
<sparb> so far not
<sparb> the content part we started to discuss only slightly, but we first wanted to fix the concept that we can at least get the scheduling going
<ectoplasmE> wasnt there also the idea of a windclock webstream
<sparb> for the content i think we still have some discussions ahead
<sparb> windclock webstream? like with video?
<ectoplasmE> something for which also guy already had made the structure concept for an automatted engine?
<givanbela> ok, of course it is good that budapest is coming in soon
<ectoplasmE> well like webradio
<ectoplasmE> my own windclock radio in the kitchen
<sparb> ah yes - ok. we are currently working on a 'visualisation' of the windclocks - if it is that what you mean
<sparb> it can be implemented in webpages
<ectoplasmE> btw i still do not have a real windclock here
<sparb> or as a firefox/chrome browser bar
<ectoplasmE> only my imaginary machines
<ectoplasmE> cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy baby
<sparb> :) we start to build stuff here next week
<sparb> if the outcomes are good i snailmail you one!
<givanbela> the secret weapon: stefanie
<ectoplasmE> hope steffi stops again in ffm
<ectoplasmE> met her
<sparb> ah - she can take it right!
<sparb> briefly back to content:
<renix> we will build some beginning of augustg
<ectoplasmE> but just for the lazy ours, because i had to go to berlin exactly foor the days of her workshop, shit
<givanbela> but ask her, she can schedule you in, we asked her to go around on demand, so if you have an idea
<ectoplasmE> ok back to rrrrrrradio
<sparb> hehe - as it is connected with the windclocks… - i have a building session with her on the 3rd of july btw
<sparb> so radio content guy - because you asked
<givanbela> hihi
<sparb> we had the idea to have a constant stream of wind recordings
<ectoplasmE> well you know me: i can only produce: ideas, text, voice
<givanbela> yes read this in the chatlog interesting
<ectoplasmE> ah recording wind
<ectoplasmE> ok
<sparb> so we can initiate wind-recording sessions
<sparb> ah shit - have to close window - there is a storm!!
<ectoplasmE> this is what i can also contribute
<renix> he, barb, record it!
<ectoplasmE> i would also like some fake winds
<ectoplasmE> and breathes
<ectoplasmE> in it
<ectoplasmE> and clockticks
<ectoplasmE> and sunray ticks from my sundial
<renix> we'll have a thunderstorm in graz in the next minutes…but no equipment for recording at the place
<ectoplasmE> and also ticks from the time bending clocks
<sparb> oh no - the thunderstorm is here too!
<renix> well, all over central europe…
<ectoplasmE> [listend to my tick tack tick tack fuck tack in the recording mp3 omg shame on my]
<sparb> i think a nice collection of wind recordings and tiks/taks would be nice
<ectoplasmE> well in short i would like much wind
<renix> have to jump to the balcony for some plants, be back in 1 minute
<ectoplasmE> many kinds of
<sparb> ok
<ectoplasmE> some ticks
<ectoplasmE> end erratic sound and voices
<ectoplasmE> beinin the stream
<sparb> so for content further we have already some stuff on padma, which we can re-mix
<sparb> i think a lot is actually still missing
<ectoplasmE> btw why does nobody like ftp?
<givanbela> well, for the moment there is no wind here olala, but a couple of days ago went recording 2 hours of material, there is an exhibition in libomerice with the works by jiri novak who died last year, a kinetic artist who was making wind-mobiles between 1960-80, and it is interesting the sounds that get produced by the metallic installations, and of course the rotors and vanes make you hear the wind very accurately.. cleaning them now and could
<givanbela> provide the more relevant soundfiles (in padma for instance)
<ectoplasmE> well i have no download access to the padma stuff as this needs torrent
<sparb> aha verena - that is true
<ectoplasmE> upload does work without, right?
<sparb> guy: nice - i would make an own 'list' on padma - to group the sounds there
<sparb> upload works without torrent, but with firefogg - that is an own firefox plugin
<givanbela> will try to do it next week
<sparb> fine
<ectoplasmE> ah yes i remember
<renix> back
<ectoplasmE> it did not work in brussels (the plug in)
<ectoplasmE> but i should try again
<sparb> you had a strange computer as far as i remember….
<ectoplasmE> a year later is ca 5 generations in plig.in time
<sparb> the small netbook, no?
<givanbela> last time in bratislava it worked fine though…
<ectoplasmE> well that was in bratislava (and brussels)
<sparb> with some people it really doesn't work i found out
<ectoplasmE> my small baby netbook
<ectoplasmE> but here i have other computers of course
<ectoplasmE> i'll try the fogg
<ectoplasmE> it might also like my fog time
<givanbela> phileas fog time
<sparb> http://www.timeinventorskabinet.org/wiki/doku.php/content_artradio
<sparb> that is the wiki for content
<sparb> if you want to add things, pls feel free to do so btw
<ectoplasmE> yes. take some time
<sparb> uff - yes ;)
<ectoplasmE> [i am behind with everything]
<sparb> heavy summer
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<ectoplasmE> yes.
<sparb> good - so i resume a little bit
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<sparb> i will start to make radio entries of asked radios on the wiki pages
<sparb> (guy - i am briefly resuming the chat)
<givanbela> yes yes
<sparb> so we can add there the station and if they are interested yes or no - something like that
<sparb> and/or who contacts/contacted them
<sparb> the second thing is that we write an invitation text - a 'multiple choice' text
<sparb> we will also send it around next week - just that in case you have time and want to see it before
<ectoplasmE> or we make two calls to make it simple?
<sparb> hmm - sounds more complicated to me ;)
<ectoplasmE> one for stream and one for playing recorded stuff?
<renix> i would put all info in one
<sparb> aha - aja - we can use two pages on the flyer
<ectoplasmE> yes this could be also a b c
<givanbela> yes one is better, otherwise it is very confusing
<renix> with more options like a modular system
<renix> that can also include production, if people like
<sparb> mhm - nice
<sparb> idea
<givanbela> so it becomes almost a modular synthesizer
<renix> when i think of the radio people here who i know, this could work best
<sparb> and when we have the texts and the flyers are on the way, we can start to contact people
<renix> yes, a synthi :)
<sparb> and when flyers are here i send them to all of you with snailmail
<renix> great
<sparb> good - anything else we didn't chat about now?
<givanbela> no for me for now it is clear
<ectoplasmE> now what are the plans for the place
<ectoplasmE> ?
<renix> i think, for now it is fine
<ectoplasmE> the production at place?
<sparb> place? physical space?
<renix> you mean bratislava?
<ectoplasmE> yes
<sparb> i am not sure yet, but i would like to derive it from our concept
<renix> i suggest, we organize a chat meeting during budapest week
<renix> so all can join in who are also not there physically
<sparb> ah yes - great idea
<ectoplasmE> budapest?
<sparb> yes - july
<ectoplasmE> ah
<ectoplasmE> ok
<sparb> you didn't get the invitation?
<ectoplasmE> missed that date completely
<givanbela> it was on the clocks list
<ectoplasmE> no i dont think so
<sparb> yes - for sure
<ectoplasmE> missed it there i guess
<ectoplasmE> i saw one for praha
<ectoplasmE> recenetly
<sparb> ok - i do have ideas of course for bratislava, but nothing totally concrete yet
<sparb> good - sounds like a concept. so i would finish this meeting now
<ectoplasmE> ok there is still tme anyway
<sparb> to keep it short and nice
<sparb> then we can have more ;)
<ectoplasmE> ok good
<renix> yep :)
<renix> and i am hungry :)
<ectoplasmE> thnak you all kisskiss good bye!
<sparb> thank you too!
<sparb> have all you a very nice evening!
<renix> bye bye and meet soon!
<sparb> bye bye!
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<givanbela> this stroobl seems to be a certain “luk” (common name) from belgium olala scary
<givanbela> cau stroobl, cau barb
<sparb> cau cau!