<sparb> hi!
<sparb> i suggest we wait another five minutes or so
<noiseart> hello
<cuc0> hello
<sparb> hi peter! you are in canada, right? is it late there now?
<noiseart> it's 10 am here
<sparb> ah - that is ok
<noiseart> better then the usual 6am chat times :)
<sparb> ok - i would suggest we start now
<sparb> maybe some people join in later - i know a lot of people didn't have time tonight
<sparb> but i would like to start up a discussion and maybe continue it later this week to give it a frame
<noiseart> ok
<sparb> i want to start with a small introduction into our concepts for september
<sparb> and see what we can/want to make with it/out of it
<sparb> the event we are talking about is a happening in september - 6-11th of september
<sparb> and the idea is to use the windtime to schedule radio broadcasts
<sparb> there is a very radical concept of doing this in a live setup
<sparb> and a less radical setup for people, for whom it is impossible to realize that
<sparb> the very radical setup would be, that the broadcasts are done live
<sparb> and at a given windtime, that was before settled
<sparb> as we cannot control the wind, the outcome would probably be, that you don't know, when your show actually is, unless it suddenly is
<sparb> that could be 4 o'clock in the morning or 3 in the afternoon
<sparb> the duration would as well be defined by windtime
<sparb> so it could be, that the show lasts 30 minutes or four hours
<sparb> i am not sure, whether we can realistically talk about a setup like this even for people who can do this and accomodate that within their daily schedules
<sparb> so this is the first point i would like to discuss
<sparb> the second point is how to bind in remote guests/radios/collectives in this process
<sparb> people, who cannot follow realistically wind time.
<sparb> with this we do have some theoretical problems as well actually, which i am not sure we have to discuss them
<sparb> (like what time is it when the wind does not blow? zero time? does time go backwards?)
<sparb> so this is what i would like to discuss tonight - and whether people would be interested here to participate and how a participation for them could look like
<noiseart> i like the idea of the live response to wind tiime
<noiseart> maybe you need an alarm clock that runs off wind time
<noiseart> it can tell the radio show host when to start and stop
<noiseart> in terms of audience
<noiseart> maybe the piece is more conceptual when it is live
<noiseart> and then everything is recorded and posted somewhere
<cuc0> but in case the show is pre-recorded and the duration is given by windtime then what should be the minimum lenght?
<sparb> peter - we were thinking of an alarm clock already - i just hope we can somehow programme it in time.
<sparb> but the question of the audience we have been discussing briefly as well - so things like twitter suddenly come in handy for that
<sparb> also we are working on a javascript visualisation for the windclocks currently - well just started actually
<cuc0> nice
<noiseart> cool
<sparb> http://timeinventorskabinet.org/wiki/doku.php/windclocks/javascript
<sparb> basically the outcome should be a firefox/chrome browser bar
<sparb> that is low level access and realistic
<sparb> @cuco: pre-recorded things - that is a good question how long. what do we do with zero time?
<sparb> peter - did you connect your mushroom clock to the tik already?
<sparb> did you see how the tiks look like? i had troubles accessing it via processing actually
<noiseart> no .. hoping to do that in the next couple of days
<noiseart> but for the radio
<noiseart> i as thinking of doing a generative piece that is driven by the wind clock
<noiseart> and then has a 'top level' control that is driven by 'global wind time'
<noiseart> so it is live by its AI not human
<cuc0> ta
<cuc0> ha
<cuc0> that fits better for the “unknown” lenght
<noiseart> the trick with these projects is figuring out how to fit in all the different kinds of content
<cuc0> but others will do more classical radio show, maybe in that case it can be cut into parts and streamed in more sessions?
<noiseart> some people may want to take the 'remix' approach and make their shows easy to cut up
<noiseart> so that the sequence of the show isn't too important to the listener
<sparb> a radical cut in this case
<sparb> that is probably close to video art - in a gallery you only see sequences - at least i do not often watch the whole video
<sparb> ;)
<noiseart> the other thing would be to have wind time shows interrupt regular programming on air .. if there is a station that would do this :)
<sparb> i really doubt it - that would be really nice though!
<noiseart> if the pieces were short enough, it might be possible .. i will ask some folks
<sparb> cool
<noiseart> but i don't think they would go for a 4 hour interruption
<noiseart> maybe more like 15 minutes max
<sparb> ok - that sounds nice though
<sparb> this we could offer really to other stations then as well
<sparb> like that we do limit the time in duration
<sparb> but the cut ins happen when they happen - that could be more realistic for alternative radios here as well
<noiseart> the technical side might be a bit too much for most radio shows .. but it is worth trying to figure it out
<sparb> stream trigger - that is something i would like to check out in july workshop as well
<sparb> but yes - for the radios itself - we can see, what we can provide…
<noiseart> another idea would be to run an mp3 stream that is generative static .. and that gets interrupted by the wind clock shows
<noiseart> so then the audience has something to listen to inbetween
<noiseart> but then we would need a lot of wind driven content i think
<cuc0> good idea, although people might not listen to generative static, it gives a sense of a “station”
<sparb> i would like (also in july in budapest) to connect padma to the windtime protocoll
<sparb> we use it as audio storage - and resp. every video has audio as well
<sparb> so it could be used for a static stream for example
<sparb> @cuco: we can make a temporary 'station' actually… no?
<cuc0> or use padma as a base for generating the inbetween parts - take parts and mix them
<sparb> or just the sound of wind
<sparb> there are 'stations' that only transmit one particular sound
<noiseart> it could be nice to a workshop on recording wind
<cuc0> same way as the radios have selection from their music base, chosen according to playlists
<sparb> yop - wind is hard to record well!
<noiseart> i usually record the sound of leaves moving
<noiseart> or surf
<noiseart> but if there was a way to get a group of people to recpord wind for the project that would be cool
<sparb> in the desert it could be nice - but here are none..
<sparb> yep - i like the idea a lot!
<sparb> and the windclocks moving - but that is like leaves
<sparb> to make wind audible through something else
<cuc0> as for the content that will be suggested to people when preparing the show in advance? be it generative or classical
<sparb> i would say whatever people prefer and feel comfortable with
<sparb> it should deal with the topic though - like time, wind and open greens
<noiseart> it could be nice to work with some of the text from the 'original wind clock'
<noiseart> but i haven't actually read it yet :)
<sparb> ;)
<sparb> i think it is an application - and dry and boring ;)
<sparb> ach - you mean the book!
<noiseart> yes the book
<sparb> ok - sorry - i think it only exists in french - i have looked it up once.
<sparb> and i don't speak french
<noiseart> i will check it out .. but my reading in french is very very slow
<sparb> i think it is very thick as well
<noiseart> okay .. so we need an obsessive volunteer to tanslate it for us :)
<cuc0> but as a hint for the radio applicants - someone might want to work with it, but if it's just french)
<sparb> i am really not sure anymore - i just remember i looked it up and there was a reason, why i didn't get it and read it yet
<sparb> i could at least try and start a page on the wiki for this - to collect ideas for the content
<sparb> i remember i had already some ideas, but i can't recall them right now
<sparb> there are already things for content on the wiki - like book lists and films i guess
<sparb> so i could kind of subsume them, link them, so people can browse a little bit thru the stuff
<cuc0> yes that will be good to point to too
<sparb> ok - so we had a lot of really nice ideas i have the feeling!
<sparb> what i propose is that we make a small call thru the network for recordings of wind
<sparb> which we collect on the padma
<sparb> the outline and concept of the strategy of the event we write a little bit together
<sparb> and make a follow up chat later this week, so other people, who weren't online tonight, can joi in
<sparb> i know for sure that reni and verena wanted to be on the chat and have interest, but couldn't
<sparb> also kruno is on the road
<sparb> so i write the concept out better and we give it free for discussion once more
<cuc0> agree
<sparb> and the third thing is, that i start to write out a content page on the wiki
<sparb> it is not bad to have an overview
<noiseart> sounds good
<sparb> and maybe an obsessive french/english speaker wants to add the book there ;)
<sparb> great! and then if some more people would join the chat, we have more people adding to all these things
<sparb> mails are sometimes blown into the wind :)
<sparb> was nice to see you online and chat with you guys
<noiseart> yes likewise
<sparb> i wish you nice evening resp. day
<noiseart> time for coffee for me
<sparb> ;)
<cuc0> good morning then :)