BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 12 13:15:05 2011 Jan 12 13:15:05 * Now talking on #politbuero Jan 12 13:15:10 <annemiemaes> of course I'll bring everything to Graz - purpose is to make a book in progress with lots of contributions of different groups/people Jan 12 13:15:14 <GivanBela_> ah saved by skolska! Jan 12 13:15:16 <GivanBela_> here I am Jan 12 13:15:19 <annemiemaes> aha! Jan 12 13:15:24 <renix> he, guy:) Jan 12 13:15:25 <GivanBela_> could not log in from home so ran here Jan 12 13:15:28 <GivanBela_> yippee Jan 12 13:15:31 <renix> annemie: wow, sooo great Jan 12 13:15:41 <annemiemaes> we talked a bit yet on OpenGreens database Jan 12 13:15:52 <GivanBela_> ok ok Jan 12 13:16:13 <GivanBela_> so you must be enthousiastic Jan 12 13:16:18 <renix> annemie: i will invite the graz-opengreeners, too, for next thursday, Jan 12 13:16:30 <annemiemaes> just to finish this OG with Reni: I'm coming over together with Danielle, we've put march 15-19 in the agendas Jan 12 13:16:39 <barb> ahoj Jan 12 13:16:43 <renix> wonderful!!!!!! Jan 12 13:17:11 <GivanBela_> hi barb, you found your excell robot yet? Jan 12 13:17:13 <annemiemaes> yes, invite them! all input welcome! Jan 12 13:17:24 <renix> good Jan 12 13:17:32 <barb> unfortunately not :( Jan 12 13:18:43 <barb> so lets talk about what we are here for Jan 12 13:18:44 <renix> ok - can we start? i have y meeting at 2pm Jan 12 13:18:55 <GivanBela_> well - would like to introduce a kind of monthly chat, it is going to be helluva times when you read the agenda with all these activities, so i am afraid it will all happen very parallell and if without a little communication together that we don't end up in the end reformulating and reinventing what was (not) Jan 12 13:18:57 <annemiemaes> ready Jan 12 13:19:05 <GivanBela_> oops started already hihi Jan 12 13:19:22 <GivanBela_> febr march april are so full! Jan 12 13:19:29 <barb> good idea- also with the dates - yes full months Jan 12 13:19:39 <barb> and may is coming up too with an opengreen conference in zagreb Jan 12 13:19:40 <barb> or spa Jan 12 13:19:57 <renix> yes, full first half Jan 12 13:20:21 <GivanBela_> also we should prevent more events to happen within the coming 3 months but there is a lot of time open later and in summer Jan 12 13:20:30 <barb> oh defenitley! Jan 12 13:20:41 <barb> shall i start to sum up col-me events briefly? Jan 12 13:20:50 <renix> go ahead Jan 12 13:20:54 <GivanBela_> now, looking at things, we should think a little at interconnecting - yes yes go ahead Jan 12 13:20:55 <barb> and planned stuff for may - as it concerns more of us Jan 12 13:21:11 <barb> so we start actually end of january with the workshop in brussels now Jan 12 13:21:19 <barb> but that is kind of settled already actually Jan 12 13:21:29 <barb> then we continue with february radio tech workshop in bratislava Jan 12 13:21:37 <barb> and the follow up middle of march Jan 12 13:21:57 <barb> they should tune into each other strongly and so lead up to a already well prepared ground for croatia Jan 12 13:22:11 <barb> and croatia we should discuss Jan 12 13:22:30 <barb> kruno proposed the spa area and he found an NGO in another village who would provide us space and equipment Jan 12 13:22:37 <barb> for the open conference stuff and presentations Jan 12 13:22:55 <renix> he, that sound good; otherwise - spa could be a bit difficult Jan 12 13:22:56 <barb> i do like the idea, as i think a spa and nature area is kind of tuning into the topic of ecologies and time Jan 12 13:23:06 <barb> that is the problem i have Jan 12 13:23:09 <barb> that it could be difficult Jan 12 13:23:19 <annemiemaes> but this is not public than? Jan 12 13:23:24 <GivanBela_> tell me when I can ask a question... Jan 12 13:23:32 <renix> if we can be at the ngo, i can imagine that also the spa makes sense Jan 12 13:23:34 <barb> sure go aheda ask Jan 12 13:23:58 <GivanBela_> can we first talk about the brussels thing end of this month ? Jan 12 13:24:05 <barb> ok Jan 12 13:24:12 <GivanBela_> just a check up (istar was silent lately) Jan 12 13:24:18 <barb> mhm Jan 12 13:24:29 <GivanBela_> everything is ok with it? who is participating from colme? Jan 12 13:24:45 <barb> col-me: i come and geraldo from barcelona Jan 12 13:24:48 <barb> michal didn't have time Jan 12 13:24:50 <GivanBela_> nice Jan 12 13:24:59 <barb> majo is coming up with me but he can only stay til wednesday Jan 12 13:25:05 <barb> so he will co-participate Jan 12 13:25:18 <annemiemaes> can you give a small description of what's happening in this workshop? I don't know at all Jan 12 13:25:19 <barb> he is not sure, whether this is something for him or not. so he will check it out Jan 12 13:25:36 <barb> there was obviuolsy a kind of misunderstanding from the beginngin Jan 12 13:25:37 <GivanBela_> but annemie this is already in the wiki with time schedule Jan 12 13:25:49 <barb> so isjtar thought it is about back-end i planned it for front-end Jan 12 13:25:51 <annemiemaes> nono, in simple words Jan 12 13:26:04 <barb> aha - ok - Jan 12 13:26:10 <annemiemaes> is the purpose that at the end we have a server with all our realtime data? Jan 12 13:26:19 <barb> it is an open schedule with a 'this is where we want to be end of the week' Jan 12 13:26:37 <barb> so as we are a small crowd, where everyone knows the project well, we know where we stand Jan 12 13:26:49 <barb> and from there see, what things have to be achieved during the week Jan 12 13:26:57 <annemiemaes> but where do you want to be at the end? Jan 12 13:26:58 <barb> i want to have in the end a working front-end, so that we can ' Jan 12 13:27:02 <barb> see the time Jan 12 13:27:03 <GivanBela_> maybe someone should link the agenda for it and the relevant pages on the frontpage of the wiki Jan 12 13:27:10 <barb> good idea Jan 12 13:27:15 <barb> i can do it later Jan 12 13:27:31 <GivanBela_> nice - because it is really the basis and well explained Jan 12 13:27:31 <annemiemaes> is it an app with our windtime? Jan 12 13:27:48 <barb> kind of app - i want to have a firefox bar for downloading Jan 12 13:27:53 <barb> for example Jan 12 13:28:00 <renix> nice Jan 12 13:28:09 <barb> also for chrome browsers and we can see, where we can implement it - drupal, wiki, lalala Jan 12 13:28:18 <barb> geraldo is already in touch with erwan Jan 12 13:28:28 <GivanBela_> well - as I understand it, it will be the windtime in the first place but the other data are in extension following the same idea Jan 12 13:28:31 <GivanBela_> sounds good Jan 12 13:28:40 <barb> they are the 'leaders' of the workshop Jan 12 13:28:42 <annemiemaes> I won't be there because I'm a nitwit in servers, but I'll pass by Jan 12 13:28:46 <barb> guy: yes Jan 12 13:28:54 <barb> basically we dream up connections Jan 12 13:29:04 <GivanBela_> I will be there from wednesday replacing majo Jan 12 13:29:05 <renix> :) Jan 12 13:29:06 <barb> server script to max, pd, whatever Jan 12 13:29:08 <barb> and front-end Jan 12 13:29:13 <barb> oh no!!! Jan 12 13:29:19 <barb> hahaha Jan 12 13:29:42 <GivanBela_> and here in praha will connect jakub who is working with sensors etc for gardens and hives Jan 12 13:29:43 <barb> so it is a kind of open thing - but i think with the goal for end of the week it could work nicely Jan 12 13:29:52 <barb> to the workshop`? Jan 12 13:29:59 <GivanBela_> yes Jan 12 13:30:15 <barb> great! we are also hoping for remote participation of course Jan 12 13:30:17 <GivanBela_> also peter courtemanche will be following from vancouver Jan 12 13:30:25 <barb> yes exactly Jan 12 13:30:28 <GivanBela_> and hopefully akos maroy from budapest Jan 12 13:30:37 <barb> and michal promised me to make the openstreetmap implementations Jan 12 13:30:42 <annemiemaes> isn't he still in holland? Jan 12 13:30:42 <barb> after that Jan 12 13:30:43 <renix> ok, i will see that hannes joins in Jan 12 13:30:51 <renix> pd/gem expert Jan 12 13:31:05 <barb> super - so we include a big remote section in the schedule Jan 12 13:31:06 <GivanBela_> so barb t makes sense to have the remote part works out these days for the remote ppl Jan 12 13:31:20 <GivanBela_> yes yes that is what I mean yippee Jan 12 13:31:41 <GivanBela_> now the second thing? Jan 12 13:31:42 <barb> yes - i just wrote it down Jan 12 13:31:52 <barb> second thing is february radio technic workshop Jan 12 13:32:07 <GivanBela_> ok, one question Jan 12 13:32:13 <annemiemaes> don't forget padma inbetween Jan 12 13:32:21 <barb> the schedules are already online, i just have to send it out but wait for hacklab to confirm the space Jan 12 13:32:24 <barb> yes padma - end of february Jan 12 13:32:30 <barb> guy - question? Jan 12 13:32:57 <GivanBela_> I cannot be there because it is overlapping with the brussels monitoring bees event etc... Jan 12 13:33:14 <barb> i know Jan 12 13:33:18 <GivanBela_> but would be able for the 2nd of course, but does it make sense? what is going to be done in the tech part? Jan 12 13:33:33 <GivanBela_> also asking this for other people who would come in later Jan 12 13:33:42 <barb> http://col-me.info/ Jan 12 13:33:49 <barb> already a small description Jan 12 13:34:09 <barb> i would like that we go from tehcnical ideas further to the content Jan 12 13:34:24 <barb> ushi from linz will come with a transmitter soldering workshop Jan 12 13:34:46 <barb> and that people develop ideas about how you can connect the question of ecology to transmitter/radio technique Jan 12 13:35:00 <GivanBela_> ok will check it after here - you see, when this tech phase is done there will be probably people coming in for doing artistic things, it is always like this as time goes by, so then we should be able to give some kind of intro to them in different places based on what was done in the original workshop Jan 12 13:35:13 <GivanBela_> ooo yes I read it some days ago Jan 12 13:35:24 <barb> impossible - i wrote that yesterday Jan 12 13:35:25 <barb> ;) Jan 12 13:35:35 <barb> the programmes are here: Jan 12 13:35:37 <GivanBela_> yesterday then, seems ages ago Jan 12 13:35:50 <annemiemaes> aha Jan 12 13:35:51 <barb> http://timeinventorskabinet.org/wiki/doku.php/tech-radio Jan 12 13:36:02 <barb> http://timeinventorskabinet.org/wiki/doku.php/content_ba Jan 12 13:36:17 <GivanBela_> michal kindernay is asking some people from here Jan 12 13:36:21 <barb> so they are still quite open, but i wait for a lot of confirmations from people Jan 12 13:36:22 <barb> he told me Jan 12 13:36:41 <barb> so i hope to have a bunch of people together, who kind of can develop their own ideas about that Jan 12 13:36:46 <GivanBela_> ok - on art's birthday he isdoing a perfo with radio's too and also local transmitters I heard Jan 12 13:36:50 <renix> ok, i will read it through and add ideas Jan 12 13:37:01 <barb> if not, there are some workshop parts, to catch up in case people don't have ideas Jan 12 13:37:12 <GivanBela_> nice Jan 12 13:37:30 <barb> the content part i am still working out strongly with verena and nina Jan 12 13:37:30 <annemiemaes> on our old dusan website, we have a lot on fm transmitters Jan 12 13:37:39 <annemiemaes> tetsuo kogawa Jan 12 13:37:47 <barb> ahh - good idea - ah yes - tetsuo ;) Jan 12 13:37:55 <barb> i also think about software of course Jan 12 13:38:08 <GivanBela_> thre is even a streaming video about how to make etc... there Jan 12 13:38:08 <barb> mbrola for example as sound tool for experiments Jan 12 13:38:21 <barb> i know that one. but ushi will prepare that part Jan 12 13:38:44 <GivanBela_> so, next event? Jan 12 13:38:59 <barb> well padma inbetween then - i am in contact with them for audio storing Jan 12 13:39:06 <GivanBela_> great Jan 12 13:39:09 <barb> that would be cool, if we could already use it in february Jan 12 13:39:24 <GivanBela_> no?!! yiipppeee Jan 12 13:39:28 <annemiemaes> a question on padma and our new server Jan 12 13:39:30 <barb> so there would be padma intro again and in march then heavy production, uploading and annotating Jan 12 13:39:32 <barb> yes Jan 12 13:39:33 <GivanBela_> and ahum on a new server heheh Jan 12 13:40:08 <annemiemaes> is the existing padma database on our new server? Jan 12 13:40:09 <GivanBela_> oh also there is the olivier workshop blender and other visual tools in okno the week before Jan 12 13:40:15 <annemiemaes> or on the experimental one Jan 12 13:40:26 <barb> padma database will be on the experimental server - which is our old server Jan 12 13:40:45 <annemiemaes> yes, but I mean, everything that is there yet now, and that works fine ... Jan 12 13:40:59 <barb> yes - that will simply stay where it is Jan 12 13:41:07 <annemiemaes> thought the old one was only for real experiments Jan 12 13:41:16 <barb> well - padma is very labour intensive Jan 12 13:41:34 <barb> the thing is that i want to separate it from production server as for its huge amount of cpu and memory usage Jan 12 13:41:48 <barb> that loads currently our memory totally full Jan 12 13:41:51 <annemiemaes> just try to avoid that new experiments comprosise working stuff Jan 12 13:42:05 <GivanBela_> one question barb - we will deal with the server issues some other time that is an okno problem hehe - but will you have time for the transfer of the servers? asking because it is relevant for the tik users Jan 12 13:42:09 <annemiemaes> thinking as a user :) Jan 12 13:42:32 <barb> sure - well the transfers i want to co-work with all2all on that Jan 12 13:43:01 <barb> that they help to transfer some stuff - it will be enough work to adjust all the settings afterwards anyway, so i'd be happy if they do the transfer of our production stuff Jan 12 13:43:14 <barb> and yes - i have to have time, no? ;) Jan 12 13:43:14 <GivanBela_> ok that is nice, but don't hesitate to signal when things are not happening well, ok? Jan 12 13:43:30 <barb> sure - the production has to be guaranteed Jan 12 13:43:34 <GivanBela_> just that I think it is an important activitiy and lots of things can happen Jan 12 13:43:37 <barb> i will make sure it is guaranteed Jan 12 13:43:42 <GivanBela_> (scared0 Jan 12 13:43:55 <barb> huch - me too suddenly (shiver) haha - no don't worry Jan 12 13:44:01 <GivanBela_> ok ok Jan 12 13:44:09 <renix> padma in feb: i know that hannes is planning to come, is there a work plan for that alrady? Jan 12 13:44:26 <barb> not until now as far as i know Jan 12 13:44:29 <annemiemaes> not yet, should contact them again Jan 12 13:44:36 <annemiemaes> they are working in bombay now Jan 12 13:45:04 <annemiemaes> purpose is to put all in the pandora context Jan 12 13:45:17 <renix> yes, i remember Jan 12 13:45:33 <annemiemaes> and sanjay will make some new stuff / wiki links Jan 12 13:45:52 <annemiemaes> but we can ask him upfront if we have specific wishes Jan 12 13:45:59 <barb> ok - cool. i am in touch with them concerning audio stuff Jan 12 13:46:15 <barb> ok - and then may in croatia Jan 12 13:46:32 <renix> i can come then Jan 12 13:46:37 <annemiemaes> croatia, and than reni has to explain march/april gfraz Jan 12 13:46:38 <barb> where i am not sure about this spa idea, but somehow i like it. great! Jan 12 13:46:52 <barb> ok - quickly croatia to end col-me Jan 12 13:46:53 <annemiemaes> i find it a bit strange Jan 12 13:47:08 <annemiemaes> was expecting to go to a real city this time Jan 12 13:47:12 <barb> it is- but something new as well. that is why i kind of like the idea Jan 12 13:47:15 <annemiemaes> zagreb, and check it out Jan 12 13:47:21 <GivanBela_> yes it can be interesting Jan 12 13:47:33 <GivanBela_> at least we don't have to put reverb on the recordings hihi Jan 12 13:47:38 <barb> haha Jan 12 13:47:48 <barb> well - also to do it with an ngo on the countryside Jan 12 13:47:50 <annemiemaes> but i think you should introduce this at EU Jan 12 13:48:01 <annemiemaes> they are very reluctant about everything that is luxury Jan 12 13:48:12 <barb> hmm - that is the problem i see too Jan 12 13:48:13 <GivanBela_> what you mean? Jan 12 13:48:22 <barb> or at least - i mean in the end you are responsible for the budget Jan 12 13:48:34 <barb> and if they are not accepting that because of a spa, then it could be shit for you Jan 12 13:48:38 <annemiemaes> well it's specified in all their rules that you can not go over common things Jan 12 13:48:39 <GivanBela_> is it a luxury spa or a normal shabby one? there are budget spas of course Jan 12 13:48:44 <renix> well, ask beforehand, then we dont need to speculate Jan 12 13:48:58 <barb> they are quite cheap - with what theyoffer obviously Jan 12 13:49:12 <annemiemaes> send a website Jan 12 13:49:13 <barb> 60,- euros per person per night with breakfast and dinner, spa entry and a conference room Jan 12 13:49:18 <barb> high speed internet in the rooms Jan 12 13:49:35 <renix> well sounds perfectly well for heavy working Jan 12 13:49:37 <renix> :) Jan 12 13:49:42 <annemiemaes> why has kruno always these strange ideas? Jan 12 13:49:45 <GivanBela_> it is actually historically part of a culture, not like in west for rich people only - see budapest etc... Jan 12 13:49:52 <annemiemaes> he seems loving holidays and farniente Jan 12 13:49:54 <barb> when we consider the costs for food and space, we are quite good with price Jan 12 13:49:54 <GivanBela_> he wants to see you naked am Jan 12 13:50:08 <barb> haha Jan 12 13:50:25 <GivanBela_> it is actually historically part of a culture, not like in west for rich people only - see budapest etc... Jan 12 13:50:37 <GivanBela_> hygiene Jan 12 13:50:46 <GivanBela_> natural resources Jan 12 13:50:48 <barb> i think kruno wants to have a little holiday for sure Jan 12 13:50:50 <annemiemaes> aaahhh! then i have to slim down Jan 12 13:51:01 <renix> lets check with EU, if it is possible, and if yes, we go Jan 12 13:51:04 <GivanBela_> diet without milk and honey Jan 12 13:51:10 <barb> anyway- one other important thing with that is, that we wrote it together with mmkamp Jan 12 13:51:15 <annemiemaes> that I have for free! Jan 12 13:51:19 <GivanBela_> oh no, the flag! Jan 12 13:51:20 <barb> and kruno now considers not doing mmkamp there Jan 12 13:51:36 <barb> he wants to do it in dubrovnik but i am against dubrovnik Jan 12 13:51:41 <renix> why? Jan 12 13:51:44 <barb> in the application it says, it goes together Jan 12 13:52:01 <barb> dubrovnik is really far away- it is a drag to travel there, it is terribly expensive Jan 12 13:52:07 <renix> ah ok Jan 12 13:52:09 <barb> and in may probably already full of tourists Jan 12 13:52:13 <barb> that's why Jan 12 13:52:15 <renix> sure, good reasons npot to go Jan 12 13:52:17 <annemiemaes> kruno loves expensive places Jan 12 13:52:25 <barb> but this is only my opinino Jan 12 13:52:35 <barb> so annemie - can you ask EU? Jan 12 13:52:40 <annemiemaes> can the dog enter in the spa? Jan 12 13:52:41 <renix> again: lets see if we can change place Jan 12 13:52:48 <barb> we have a lot of good reasons to go there actually Jan 12 13:52:49 <renix> dog? Jan 12 13:52:53 <barb> dog? Jan 12 13:52:59 <annemiemaes> I prefer you do this - Jan 12 13:53:06 <barb> i do what - ask EU? Jan 12 13:53:17 <annemiemaes> I don't want to compromise myself Jan 12 13:53:29 <barb> ok - who shall i ask? the local contacpoint? Jan 12 13:53:36 <annemiemaes> yes Jan 12 13:53:41 <GivanBela_> allez annemie of course okno as coordinator is asking Jan 12 13:53:41 <barb> ok - i'll do that then Jan 12 13:53:52 <annemiemaes> you ask gudrun than Jan 12 13:54:12 <GivanBela_> it is easy to just ring up our contact point and ask ok but get the right info first about prices and targets Jan 12 13:54:17 <barb> ok - maybe reni quickly, as you have to leave then, right? Jan 12 13:54:35 <annemiemaes> sorry, i'm not asking this question to somebody that works really strict with us, somebody i don't even know. Jan 12 13:54:38 <GivanBela_> I can ask them end of the month barb, when we are together in brussels, let's ask them then Jan 12 13:54:47 <renix> thanks, barb - i have the meeting at esc, can stay until 2.15 Jan 12 13:54:51 <annemiemaes> ask it in the local EU office, there they will understand better probably Jan 12 13:55:07 <GivanBela_> ok - Jan 12 13:55:08 <renix> stay in the chat, i mean Jan 12 13:55:11 <barb> ok - we do both Jan 12 13:55:13 <barb> then Jan 12 13:55:19 <GivanBela_> yes fine Jan 12 13:55:21 <annemiemaes> you simply have to write an email, so you can ask them even now. Jan 12 13:55:29 <annemiemaes> they will not give you an appointment :) Jan 12 13:55:34 <GivanBela_> I'd rather talk to them Jan 12 13:55:38 <barb> and last thing is, we lost our partners in prishtina probably Jan 12 13:55:57 <GivanBela_> euh what? why - did they call / mail you? Jan 12 13:55:58 <annemiemaes> this is a good reason to talk to them Jan 12 13:55:58 <barb> they don't answer anymore - but i kristina is travelling there and looks what's up this month Jan 12 13:56:05 <GivanBela_> good! Jan 12 13:56:15 <barb> no - they don't peep anymore at all - no matter how many emails i write to them Jan 12 13:56:19 <GivanBela_> but they are associated partners, so that is not dramatic Jan 12 13:56:23 <barb> so kriz goes there in persona Jan 12 13:56:33 <GivanBela_> ok Jan 12 13:56:36 <renix> do you have an idea why? Jan 12 13:56:43 <barb> not really, but we have to replace the workshop then probably Jan 12 13:56:48 <annemiemaes> but this is something you should report to EU, if we don't work with them anymore Jan 12 13:56:51 <barb> i have no idea why. the radio seems to still run Jan 12 13:56:54 <barb> sure Jan 12 13:57:10 <barb> but first i want to make sure - so after kristina can tell me what is up i also know more Jan 12 13:57:17 <renix> hm... shall we together look for a new partner in this region? Jan 12 13:57:25 <GivanBela_> hey barb let's do this all in one go, we can list the changes and explain them, and then let'scontact the right office in eu Jan 12 13:57:29 <renix> i can look into my radio contacts if you like Jan 12 13:57:47 <barb> ok - i ask kristina, when she is planning to go there Jan 12 13:57:53 <barb> i want to give them a last chance Jan 12 13:57:54 <GivanBela_> ok Jan 12 13:57:56 <renix> that was for july, right? Jan 12 13:57:59 <annemiemaes> yes, i think it's a good idea to have a talk about all these changes at once Jan 12 13:58:03 <barb> good- that's it till july from col-me site Jan 12 13:58:06 <barb> yes - july Jan 12 13:58:20 <GivanBela_> also about doing the skopje workshop later Jan 12 13:58:28 <annemiemaes> what's up[ about ecoconference, and is this in the spa too? Jan 12 13:58:33 <annemiemaes> and with nina and ??? Jan 12 13:58:38 <barb> aha yes- Jan 12 13:58:43 <barb> nina is coming for sure to croatia Jan 12 13:59:00 <annemiemaes> who is this other woman Jan 12 13:59:03 <barb> ecoconference - hmm - that is more your thing. but we can organize it together Jan 12 13:59:09 <barb> this other woman went crazy Jan 12 13:59:13 <barb> she is not participating anymore Jan 12 13:59:16 <annemiemaes> aha Jan 12 13:59:28 <renix> aha Jan 12 13:59:30 <GivanBela_> not the first one who was thinking about wind time and went crazy hihi Jan 12 13:59:43 <GivanBela_> and about nina Jan 12 13:59:44 <annemiemaes> ok, we can do a general OpenGreens presentation, I guiess -- everything can fall under OpenGreens Jan 12 14:00:22 <GivanBela_> in second half of the year we are having nina and niels van tomme (us/be) as guest curators in okno Jan 12 14:00:41 <GivanBela_> they are also looking into shaping the final exhiiiton and cnfeence a little Jan 12 14:00:53 <GivanBela_> so they will be of course nicely involved in tik Jan 12 14:01:12 <GivanBela_> and a final news item Jan 12 14:01:14 <GivanBela_> last thing, just to mention, here in praha jakub is finishing this month the arduino kit with sensors for gardens and hives, will be finished beginning of febr and presented in brussels, documented in wiki, and can be worked with to connect data - also hopefully over the server but let's see how it is all going Jan 12 14:01:31 <renix> ok, that is great Jan 12 14:01:32 <GivanBela_> we can distribute to all interested partners one Jan 12 14:01:37 <renix> yupi Jan 12 14:01:38 <GivanBela_> or more if needed Jan 12 14:01:45 <GivanBela_> then also Jan 12 14:01:46 <annemiemaes> first see if it works :) Jan 12 14:01:59 <GivanBela_> monthly getr is doing the mill building workshops Jan 12 14:02:13 <GivanBela_> so if any ideas from artists and others please send it over the clocks list Jan 12 14:02:13 <annemiemaes> why do you change from clocks to mills? Jan 12 14:02:23 <annemiemaes> i prefer clocks Jan 12 14:02:35 <GivanBela_> actually he is building mills that will become clocks Jan 12 14:02:40 <GivanBela_> first see if it works :) Jan 12 14:02:42 <GivanBela_> hihi Jan 12 14:02:48 <annemiemaes> and now reni Jan 12 14:02:52 <renix> ok Jan 12 14:02:58 <renix> march - open greens Jan 12 14:03:18 <renix> will be that starter for teh database with probabyl 3 gardens now Jan 12 14:03:27 <renix> they can then later also host wind clocks Jan 12 14:03:47 <annemiemaes> what is the purpose in the 4 days meeting in march? Jan 12 14:03:53 <renix> i suggest we do 1 public evening Jan 12 14:04:02 <annemiemaes> at the end Jan 12 14:04:14 <renix> purpose is to have a concrete starter for the spring Jan 12 14:04:15 <annemiemaes> and work with the group before? Jan 12 14:04:19 <renix> yes Jan 12 14:04:30 <annemiemaes> ok - prpare the patches! Jan 12 14:04:35 <renix> and also prepare for the april open greens Jan 12 14:04:50 <renix> of course :) Jan 12 14:04:55 <renix> april Jan 12 14:04:56 <annemiemaes> do you see this linked to the exhibition? Jan 12 14:05:12 <renix> yes, sure, i want to have all floating into the exhibiton Jan 12 14:05:29 <annemiemaes> is the exhibition only TIK or more? Jan 12 14:06:10 <renix> the exhibition is on time, with 80% TIK and 20% grazbased artists to involve more local people and get them interested in TIK Jan 12 14:06:32 <renix> this week i want to finish the descriptions and send it out to you Jan 12 14:06:33 <annemiemaes> do you want a clean exhibit, or some stuff in progress? Jan 12 14:06:42 <renix> in progress Jan 12 14:06:49 <renix> where we are now Jan 12 14:06:57 <renix> i dont need "products" Jan 12 14:07:10 <annemiemaes> it can be a nice intro to the further exhibits in praha and brussels Jan 12 14:07:10 <GivanBela_> clean in progress things are ok too? Jan 12 14:07:32 <renix> sure - all forms of concepts Jan 12 14:07:36 <annemiemaes> since when do you make cleanthings? Jan 12 14:07:41 <renix> :) Jan 12 14:07:41 <GivanBela_> cigar case wind clock + slide balalaika ? Jan 12 14:07:58 <GivanBela_> clean case and rough slides Jan 12 14:08:11 <annemiemaes> but reni, how will you prepare? Jan 12 14:08:13 <renix> for the symposion i am gaterhings some theoreticians and artists plus us i gues this i going to be very nice Jan 12 14:08:21 <annemiemaes> you have to know at least some weeks upfront? Jan 12 14:08:24 <renix> annemie: what do you mean? Jan 12 14:08:44 <renix> ah, ok, i get it Jan 12 14:08:53 <annemiemaes> well - you have to prepare/ to know what will happen ? Jan 12 14:09:14 <renix> i will specify the possibilites of the space, see that ideas come in and then Jan 12 14:09:20 <renix> (oh phone...) Jan 12 14:09:38 <renix> back Jan 12 14:09:50 <renix> and then discuss frames, Jan 12 14:09:51 <annemiemaes> was thinking from TIK-side , people should know if they can / will participate and how ... Jan 12 14:10:07 <renix> and in these frames we see who wants to join in in which form Jan 12 14:10:17 <renix> i have done theat before, is very exciting and lively Jan 12 14:10:26 <renix> anf if there is no dive, it works Jan 12 14:10:31 <renix> no diva Jan 12 14:10:41 <GivanBela_> sorry barb Jan 12 14:10:42 <annemiemaes> looking forward! Jan 12 14:10:50 <GivanBela_> no karaoke? Jan 12 14:10:53 <renix> yes, me too Jan 12 14:10:55 <annemiemaes> check out the concept of the changing tents - this is really nice! Jan 12 14:11:02 <renix> sure - if you like:) Jan 12 14:11:08 <GivanBela_> no reni sounds really good Jan 12 14:11:14 <barb> bohooo! Jan 12 14:11:17 <renix> we have done that, too, already as part of a symposion Jan 12 14:11:19 <GivanBela_> looking forward already Jan 12 14:11:19 <barb> i want karaoke corner! Jan 12 14:11:24 <renix> you get it Jan 12 14:11:28 <renix> me too :) Jan 12 14:11:43 <GivanBela_> a windy corner - the answer my friend... Jan 12 14:11:44 <renix> yes, the tents look wonderful :) Jan 12 14:11:46 <barb> sounds nice! Jan 12 14:11:58 <renix> so, i will be able to send you a list by the end of the week Jan 12 14:12:07 <GivanBela_> great Jan 12 14:12:13 <renix> and then we see how we go on, who you want tot bring in et c Jan 12 14:12:15 <annemiemaes> let's keep in touch for next thusday Jan 12 14:12:20 <annemiemaes> you too, guy Jan 12 14:12:22 <renix> definitely Jan 12 14:12:32 <annemiemaes> skype over the COG database Jan 12 14:12:34 <renix> ok, can i leave you now? sorryyyyyy Jan 12 14:12:45 <renix> have it in my agenda Jan 12 14:12:53 <GivanBela_> next thursday? ah yes yes Jan 12 14:12:58 <annemiemaes> ok, i'll send it over clocks once more ... Jan 12 14:13:10 <GivanBela_> I have to go to toilet anyway Jan 12 14:13:15 <renix> :) Jan 12 14:13:32 <renix> ok, guys, looking forward to meeting soon and i like the idea of a monthy chat Jan 12 14:13:35 <renix> just choose a time Jan 12 14:13:35 <annemiemaes> ok, bye than - i have a phonecall Jan 12 14:13:38 <GivanBela_> nice and let's do a monthly chat yes? Jan 12 14:13:47 <renix> yes Jan 12 14:13:52 <GivanBela_> cu all and have a nice day still Jan 12 14:14:02 <barb> ok Jan 12 14:14:02 <barb> yes you too! Jan 12 14:14:06 <renix> he, and barb. call me in the later afternoon Jan 12 14:14:10 <annemiemaes> bye bye Jan 12 14:14:11 <GivanBela_> bisouxxx Jan 12 14:14:11 <barb> yes Jan 12 14:14:14 <barb> when class is done Jan 12 14:14:16 <renix> besos Jan 12 14:14:19 <renix> cool Jan 12 14:14:21 <barb> cau cau! ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 12 14:14:23 2011